| RavenBlog |
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| Comments on Monday 3 December 2001: |
| Tales of the Hair. Today I experimented with the fearful substances of "professional hair dye". Which is essentially the same as what you get in a kit, but not measured out for you. As a special bonus for buying professional hair dye, you get the right to sue if it goes wrong, and the right to feel heroic if it doesn't. I am a Professional. As it turns out, the dye (Framesi Framcolor 2001 Coloring Cream: Blue-black) wasn't as good as I had hoped. Not bad, mind - it's as good as the stuff I usually use and, per use, cheaper. The colour hasn't really come out blue-black though. It's mostly pure-black, and with something of a green undertone. Of course, this is possibly my fault, using a 20-vol developer rather than a lower one - 20-vol being supposed to be for same-darkness-level, and green, I suppose, being what one might end up with after using undarkened blue. Bear in mind the green isn't obvious at all - I doubt it would show up in a picture, or I'd show it. So, that's your lesson in professional hair dyes for the day. This is not to be construed as dye-usage advice - sue your seller, not me. Nor is that last sentence to be construed as legal advice - sue your lawyer, not me. And so on.
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| Rachel in hairstylist mode |
| Disclaimer: I'm not a professional, so don't get the lovely Alder to dig up my address and sue me if people start pointing at the baldy fellow. That said, it sounds to me like 20-volume was the right level developer. I regularly hit beauty supply places for cheap hair dye, and could recommend some excellent and perhaps less expensive alternatives to the Framesi--which, as a bonus, shouldn't have any green tinge whatsoever. Wella Color Charm (either liquid or gel; I'm addicted to their Black Cherry liquid) has a good Blue Black. Keep away from Wella Presentation, though I don't believe they have anything besides a plain black anyway--it's crap. I understand Clairol's Black Azure liquid is also good, though I've never tried it. At around $3.50/bottle for either, plus a big thing of 20-vol. cream peroxide--keeps the liquids from being gloopy and dripping off your head--it's not a bad deal. Even if you're up to three bottles at a go like I am, which is rather a scary thought in itself. |
| Samantha |
| I have used Framesi FramColor 2001 for almost 2 years and I have never had any complaints. It could possibly be that you might be an ash and if thats the case than yes you will pull green. And the blue-black is not going to come out blue just a hint thats all, mainly when sunlight or any type of light hits it. And you should have more than likely used 10 Volume Developer. I had this same problem when I first started using it...I read up on it and called the Framesi help line. I hope that some of this has helped. I am a professional, licensed cosmetologist but we all have different experiences with different products. I personally will only use Framesi FramColor 2001. And the gloopy dripping may possibly come from having mixed to much developer or not enough color. This is just an opinion and things that I have learned please do not take this as I know it all because as a hairdresser there is always room to learn and you will never know everything there is to know about hair. And please do not take this as being rude it is most definately not meant that way. |
| RavenBlack |
| I don't even know what "you might be an ash" means. I assume it's a reference to hair type or colour. Also I don't know where to go to buy Framesi again, or I would. Especially being in the UK now, where the internet doesn't sell so much. |
| Samantha |
| Ash is a hair color...correct...which the underlying pigment is green so it automatically pulls green no matter what color you choose to color your hair eventually it will fade to a green or just turn your hair green. I have ash hair so its really hard to not have a green cast on my hair. I am going through the same problem I recently moved to New York and no one has even heard of Framesi and I can't find anyone even on the internet that sells the color. I used to live in Georgia and it was not a problem to purchase it. But I have found a good bit of websites that sells it in the UK. If I can find what ones I was on I will give you the addresses. And like I said I really did not mean for the comment to sound rude. |
| christine |
| Try David Kibbies Metamorphisis on I think 48th or 49th st in NY.I am having a major problem with clairol color I think the 20year prof is an idiot. I AM. going back to framesi |
| happyredhead |
| Samantha..........I don't wish to contradict you, but underlying pigment is always a WARM tone. Green is most definately not a warm tone. All hair regardless of tone has a warm underlying pigment. For instance, hair lifted to a level 7 will always have an orange underlying pigment. Check your books or manual, I'm sure you will find I am right. Framesi is a fabulous color product. I have been using it for 15 years. |
| RavenBlack |
| I have managed to get hold of a box of random coloured Framesi, and am now using just "blue". It comes out pretty much how I wanted blue-black to. I tried "green" first, it did absolutely nothing to my hair even when I tried pre-murdering the hair with bleach. |
| Morphosis |
| For all your Framesi in the UK try these guys based in the UK. They also offer technical support when you buy off them and boast 2 in house colour technicians and have a network of associates who can help with your problems. its a website called salonprofessionalsolutions.co.uk |
| Karina |
| Hi. I stumbled across your blog. I have been a loyal framesi devotee for several years, and specialize in colour at my salon. Understanding framesi is simple. All N or NP series have a green to green-blue base. They are all ashe. The 2001 series is a translucent color, therefore, your underlying pigmentation of ashe will show through. You may have better luck with futura, which is a more opaque colour line. However, you must add blue filler to the mix to enrich the color. Depending on what you are trying to cover you may even need to add red or purple to fill it. And, just a note to happpy red head, not all underlying pigmentation is warm. Thats exposed pigmentation. You have to take contributing pigment into account as well as tonal value and hair level, both ntural and coloured. Hope this helps! -Karina |
| RavenBlack |
| That was the most knowledgeable sounding comment so far. I think the ones I have now are Futura (those are the ones that include a "blue" amongst the colours) - it seems to fade more readily than the Framcolor 2001, which I imagine I could reduce by bleaching the hair open more before applying it, but again, on an effort-to-results basis, I'm better off with just doing dye and developer whenever it seems necessary. And it's still comparable to a more-expensive do-at-home kit, only with a better colour. |
| tony Stevens |
| Can any one (Karina perhaps?) talk to me about Framesi 2001? I have had a real problem trying to get the 5w to deposit correctly. Had a level 7 virgin ash blonde today, use ossidor 15 vol and 5w, but result was really ashy level 6 dingy light brown. Also, what's up with the 7RN? It is pure pink! The 8RN is basically invisible. Been using the line for 3 years now and have noticed significant changes in the density of pigment in the 2001 series. Probably going to switch to Framcolor. |
| RavenBlack |
| Sorry, you're very unlikely to get an answer here - this is a blog post from more than six years ago, the only people who're likely to be reading it now are people who're looking for answers, not people who already have them. |
| Gucci Handbags |
| Well, I was going to ask a question, but I see the above comment just pointed out this is more than 6 years old!! I do know that my sister uses Framesi, and LOVES it. Anyway, cool info here, I'll dig around a bit more :) |